Libertarian Message for Police Among Us

I distance myself from most libertarians in that I believe that the vast majority of us can co-exist (not in a stupid hippy way) with the police.

I believe that the police could have a moral purpose instead of servicing the whims of both their employers (non profict corporate entities including counties, cities, and states) and the legal environments (courts and the leeches they benefit).

Police have the opportunity to do what most people think they should be doing, (roughly constitutional concerns). I have mentioned that issues of transgression of property or being denied access to one’s property. (You would call this destruction of property or trespassing). I also mention actual physical assaults and personal issues like this.

Dealing with “Karen’s” stupid issues and fundraising opportunities (speeding tickets and DUI’s) have never been a fundamental focus. People are quick to forgive them and think that they are being served by them. The truth that we arent.

We are slowly starting to see that non criminals are starting to be targeted by law enforcement. (Law enforcement being used as hired toughs by tyrannical overseers). Law enforcement is more than safety. They are for their own safety. They decide what is over the thin blue line. And often, it is one random guy at the beach or a elderly black guy walking down the street with a golf club steadying him. Police are determining what their enemies are. It is no longer MS-13 or thugs. It turned into J Edgar Hippy or Grandpa Jenkins.

I dont want you to become enemies. The police in my community are human beings. Many of them are folks that love life and want the best for us all. But their silence is what creates an opportunity for chaos.

Im begging for them to take a principled stand and stop overreach. It takes not spacing out and playing ignorant like many LEO’s have. It takes not being a stereotype. Be enlightened and learning about who you work “with”. Fight against stupidity. For your safety and the safety of the public.

Let people be your customer and not subjects. Dont be the courts fundraising arm. Re-state your mission statement. Please be well and let people live their lives

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8 Responses to Libertarian Message for Police Among Us

  1. Lexet Blog says:

    Most libertarian activists think like communists: they are utopians who deny reality.

    Who enforces judicial decrees or arbitration in libertarian society?

    At best they say private security. What happens when they war against eachother or have a dispute?

    No matter what, there has to be centralization of some services, and ultimately one law giver.

    The debate is how much power the government has.

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    • (Now you see my beef with many of the voluntaryist and Conklin/OWS crowd)

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    • Derek Ramsey says:

      No matter what, there has to be centralization of some services, and ultimately one law giver. The debate is how much power the government has.”

      I disagree on both counts. Colonial American communities were mostly independent. So too those in the Western expansion. The initial federal government was limited in scope. Today the Amish self-govern. This is reality.

      “What happens when they war against each other or have a dispute? “

      Fight or work it out peacefully. Disputes require neither violence nor centralized government. Moreover, for Christians disputes allow for neither. Centralized governments can’t and don’t eliminate disputes except by using the threat-point of violence. Your argument is thus circular reasoning: centralized security requires violence to prevent violence.

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      • Lexet Blog says:

        Your country examples are examples of some form of ultimate authority in the various communities.

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      • Derek Ramsey says:

        “Your country examples are examples of some form of ultimate authority in the various communities.”

        This makes no sense. If each community has its own authority, then by definition there is no single ultimate authority.

        There is no logical necessity for a centralized ultimate authority. My own community has separate, independent governments for sewer, water (two of them!), school, and the township (with its own police force).

        But, you might say, are they not all ultimately governed by a hierarchy leading to a unifying state government? Yes, yes they are, but that hierarchy remains not logically necessary. That those community governments can more-or-less function independently without day-to-day centralized coordination is proof enough.

        What you seem to be arguing for is the necessity a hierarchical bureaucracy with ultimate power. It not only isn’t necessary, it is harmful. People can and have thrived without one. Not a single service must be centralized at any large governmental scale. The Amish are proof of that.

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  2. Derek Ramsey says:

    “I distance myself from most libertarians in that I believe that the vast majority of us can co-exist with the police.”

    I agree that it is possible, but I’m neither naive nor think libertarians are wrong on this.

    “We are slowly starting to see that non criminals are starting to be targeted by law enforcement. [..] Law enforcement is more than safety. They are for their own safety. They decide what is over the thin blue line.”

    This is not new in America. It has been ongoing for decades. Widespread recording and internet transmission have made it more open.

    To get police to act on behalf of the people, you’ll have to change the ‘First Rule of Policing’ and revoke the ‘Reasonably Scared Cop Rule’. After that, you’ll have to fix the job itself: to enforce whatever laws they choose. For example, they are under no legal obligation to investigate a crime against you. ‘Protect and serve’ is a meaningless slogan with no legal requirement. Neither is safety.

    “Police have the opportunity to do what most people think they should be doing. [..] But their silence is what creates an opportunity for chaos. I’m begging for them to take a principled stand and stop overreach.”

    It’s not going to happen. I think you’ve read my work on v5k2c2? Today’s average police officer has a significantly lower average IQ than the average police that protected the American colonies. They are both less intellectually and spiritually equipped to make these kinds of bold decisions. This is made worse by the universal, godless bureaucratic system, which they almost certainly embrace. Thus, even if they themselves don’t take active part in distasteful activities, they vigorously support the system that enables it.

    “Many of them are folks that love life and want the best for us all.”

    Is “just following orders” what is best for us all? If it isn’t then the intentions are not good, but evil. Don’t make excuses for them, even though they are your friends. What allows the bureaucratic system to perpetuate is embracing the lie that they just want what is best for us. They don’t. Accepting this is a very, very bitter pill to swallow.

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    • “Just following orders”? Not quite what I was going for. No, its not what is best for us. Friends? Not quite but I am not out rioting or threatening their families like many. I choose to be a loving person first. But many of the cops are brainwashed. The smartest ones I knew quit. I was hoping to get with a few current ot formers to see if I could spring some LEAP literature on them. I pray that we could reach the smart ones. Its a lofty goal considering many I have met were “too dumb to weld”. (Not my quote).
      (I want to do away from quantified immunity but that is a bridge to the future)

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